tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post115211512607042860..comments2023-09-17T13:00:48.284+02:00Comments on angel angie in London: Consulting - the good memories I take with meangiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00555602254191133348noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1153678345886714742006-07-23T20:12:00.000+02:002006-07-23T20:12:00.000+02:00Dear anonymous, thanks for your comment, you are a...Dear anonymous, thanks for your comment, you are absulutely right, the German office is not known as the nicest one, thats why Ive always enjoyed international trainings very much!angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555602254191133348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1153568583622289282006-07-22T13:43:00.000+02:002006-07-22T13:43:00.000+02:00Angie,You do a great job on this blog. You really...Angie,<BR/><BR/>You do a great job on this blog. You really take the time to explain consulting, and in my opinion are very fair in describing your experiences at the firm. However, the one thing to think about is that you worked in the German office, which throughout the firm is known as the toughest office by far. So maybe your experiences while are truthful, may not be representative of the average firm experience. I am not going to get into specifics as to how this affects me =), but I think I stayed pretty true to our feedback model. For disclosure purposes I am still with the firm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1153088556184020912006-07-17T00:22:00.000+02:002006-07-17T00:22:00.000+02:00Hi Angie, read your consulting life story, very in...Hi Angie, read your consulting life story, very interesting. I am working in management consulting as well (not the strategy house though). After several years, I am actually thinking of moving to industry. As I felt consulting gave me a wide range of "superficial" knowledge (i.e. wide range of companies/industries but not deep enough). I don't know whether this is just my feelig or something shared by other consultants?<BR/><BR/>I am thinking of doing an MBA, since I have been in London for 8 years now, I want to get one in US. The reason being after 5 years working, I felt a bit lost as to what I want to do and hope a break can open up more opportunities for me. Is this commone among MBA applicants and how would admission consider this? (i.e. would this lower your chance of admission)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for advice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152790131757839992006-07-13T13:28:00.000+02:002006-07-13T13:28:00.000+02:00Thank you very much for the reply. I more and more...Thank you very much for the reply. I more and more think I'll go for Consulting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152784339876243332006-07-13T11:52:00.000+02:002006-07-13T11:52:00.000+02:00anonymous, it happens all the time and depending o...anonymous, it happens all the time and depending on the consultancy you work for the cycles are shorter or longer.<BR/><BR/>But let me explain a bit because it sounds worse than it is. For each position, there are "promotion windows" so to speak. It would mean that if everything goes well, you are promoted to the next level after 12 months, if you're a superstar, it can happen already after 9 months, if there are problems, you will not be promoted after 12 months. However, it means you will be discussed again 3 or 6 months later and have another chance to get promoted.<BR/><BR/>I know several people who weren't promoted when they should have been (but also I know lots who got early promotions) but most of them then get promoted in the next cycle. If again it doesn't work, some can even get promoted in the next round.<BR/><BR/>If you want numbers, I would say about max. 20% get promoted late (this can also vary according to the economic situation), and of those I'm confident half make it the next time. At least at the lower levels, it is rare for someone to be forced out within the first two years, though I've seen it happen, especially in 2003/2004 it was still common.<BR/><BR/>But as a conclusion, what you have to see is that when you join post MBA, you will most likely not have any problems rising for the first 3 years. When I say 20% leave each year, I'm confident right now at least half of those are voluntary, and at the associate/project manager level probably 70 or 80% leave because they want to leave. <BR/><BR/>So I wouldn't see it as an issue in terms of being forced out, one problem that it creates is that people become too streamlined, because as soon as you get into problems with someone or say you're not going to do something, they can screw you in the next performance review, so you have to be supernice to everyone all the time and that creates a weird culture, I said "no" a few times and saw very surprised faces, some people high up just never have any resistance from below because of this constant performance monitoring.<BR/><BR/>From what I've heard it differs though, only from personal observation and conversations with friends who work at other consultancies I think McK is the toughest and Bain/Booz I heard are much softer.angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555602254191133348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152712008426183652006-07-12T15:46:00.000+02:002006-07-12T15:46:00.000+02:00Hi. I'm actually applying to insead fon Jan 2007 s...Hi. I'm actually applying to insead fon Jan 2007 start and i plan to work a few years in consulting post-MBA.<BR/><BR/>I've read on bw-forum (from LBSGrad I think) that after 2 years people are either promted or forced out of consulting. Is that true? Have you seen it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152652460115132082006-07-11T23:14:00.000+02:002006-07-11T23:14:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555602254191133348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152586466166305482006-07-11T04:54:00.000+02:002006-07-11T04:54:00.000+02:00That's a wonderful post - love the pictures. Here...That's a wonderful post - love the pictures. Here's to even better times ahead!SgHamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498850432313652097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152550864811910982006-07-10T19:01:00.000+02:002006-07-10T19:01:00.000+02:00Exceptional post. It sures deserves to be in my 'f...Exceptional post. It sures deserves to be in my 'favorite post' list!<BR/>:)<BR/><BR/>If I may ask, in the future, can you post about the job market in london and germany for us mbas?Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10752268140580152391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152508020269463612006-07-10T07:07:00.000+02:002006-07-10T07:07:00.000+02:00Nice blog, obrigado for putting link back to my bl...Nice blog, obrigado for putting link back to my blog: http://t-moor.blogspot.com/, will do the same and yeah, I think I will keep posting in English ,as wel as in Russian and Uzbek languages :)<BR/><BR/>Ciao and good luck in UKAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07048077955780925335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152397018447227742006-07-09T00:16:00.000+02:002006-07-09T00:16:00.000+02:00Hey Angel,Great post... I'll try to write about my...Hey Angel,<BR/><BR/>Great post... I'll try to write about my job as a consultant as well but I guess time will be an issuekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17348717923118022220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152187638549989992006-07-06T14:07:00.000+02:002006-07-06T14:07:00.000+02:00Thanks for the post, very interesting - being expe...Thanks for the post, very interesting - being experienced in industry, one of my hopes after doing an MBA at IESE is working in consulting for some time.<BR/><BR/>Would appreciate, if you have the time, a post about the pros and cons of consulting life. I've followed your blog for a while now (thanks! been great reading, enjoyable, and happy all is working out for you) and read a few things about if, but would love a post like this one, now that you are out :)<BR/><BR/>Enjoy the vacation!<BR/><BR/>Juan Miguel VenturelloVenturellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05386044714453618787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152136152556124532006-07-05T23:49:00.000+02:002006-07-05T23:49:00.000+02:00thanks, stresstensor!anonymous, I have a master's ...thanks, stresstensor!<BR/><BR/>anonymous, I have a master's degree in international relations and international security.angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555602254191133348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152129197375552592006-07-05T21:53:00.000+02:002006-07-05T21:53:00.000+02:00What advanced degree do you have?What advanced degree do you have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20073703.post-1152123726576254102006-07-05T20:22:00.000+02:002006-07-05T20:22:00.000+02:00Nice post. I am sure it feels good to talk about y...Nice post. I am sure it feels good to talk about your *former* life, now that you have quit the job. <BR/><BR/>Enjoy the vacation, Cheers!StressTensorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354481699788896844noreply@blogger.com